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Selling my eyeTribe eyetracker

Postby janeborodat » 24 Mar 2014, 20:32

Hi guys, if anybody interested, i am selling my EyeTribe, Its condition is ideal, works perfectly. I bought it to ease my rsi from keyboard\mouse, but i am not a developer and there is no software right now for that, and i dont what to wait for like a year when it will be developed by somebody, that is the reason i am selling it. Price -30% of the new one.
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Re: Selling my eyeTribe eyetracker

Postby JeffKang » 31 Mar 2014, 20:37

Dwell Clicker 2 – detecting interface elements, and snapping to them

An assistive technology website did a review of the Eye Tribe: http://www.spectronics.co.nz/blog/confe ... s-have-it/. They successfully tested the eye tracker with software called Dwell Clicker 2 (https://www.sensorysoftware.com/dwellclicker.html).

It apparently works with a headpointer, joystick, and now, the Eye Tribe tracker. It “allows you to use a mouse or other pointing device without clicking buttons”. It allows you to snap your clicks to targets. “Target snapping is a feature that makes it easier to click on specific elements on the screen. These elements include buttons, menu items and links. Target snapping works by detecting elements near the pointer that you might want to click on, and locking onto the nearest element.”

(There is a free and paid version, and I think the paid version has the snapping.)

I haven’t tested Dwell Clicker 2 yet, but there are two additional features that would probably help it:

GazeTalk – Resume/accumulation of dwell time

The first feature is found in GazeTalk: Resume/accumulation of dwell time.

GazeTalk is a free, predictive text entry system by the nonprofit Gaze Group organization (Eye Tribe was derived from Gaze Group): http://wiki.cogain.org/index.php/Gazetalk_About.

If any jumpiness from eye tracking causes the fixation on an intended button to be briefly interrupted, you could have the option to recognize a resumption of the dwelling, and continue building the time for that particular button. GazeTalk has an "Accumulate dwell time" function to “avoid the re-setting of a button”.

To prevent too many partials being logged and built up, perhaps activation of one element could reset all the states, or partial loads may slowly decay if the element is not being adequately focused on and maintained. Edit: successful activation of one button does in fact reset any partial accumulations.

(I’m still not sure how to transfer the text out of GazeTalk to the window in focus. With Dragon NaturallySpeaking, you can dictate into a Dictation Box, and then transfer. Also, pressing the buttons in Windows’s on-screen keyboard transfers output to the current window in focus).

GazeMouse – Zoom/magnification

The second feature can be found in GazeMouse: Zoom/magnification.

Gaze Group also has a free gaze-based interface for simulating mouse clicks by gaze input only called GazeMouse (http://www.gazegroup.org/downloads).

It lets you zoom in a few times before selecting a possibly smaller interface element.

Conclusion

Each individual application has some very useful features. If an open source project could be started that could combine some of these features, it could be beneficial to a lot of people.

Also, some of these features could be taken by developers to add to their own program, even if it has nothing to do with accessibility. E.g. detecting and snapping to interface elements. Whether you’re dealing with a non-touch/non-eye-tracking interface with smaller elements and buttons, or a touch/eye-tracking interface with larger elements, the ability to detect and snap to the nearest interface element could be beneficial for both types of interfaces.

bkb – open source program to control the computer:

Edit: MastaLomaster, a member of this forum, has an open source application (called bkb?) to control a computer that can be found here: https://github.com/MastaLomaster/bkb

The page says that the program works with the Eye Tribe tracker.

I just found a video demonstration of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68C4d2SNC8 (the video is labeled in Russian, which probably helped to make it take so long to find).

bkb, GazeMouse, and PCEye software

It looks like bkb functions similarly to GazeMouse, and the PCEye software (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n38nQQOt8U).

With bkb, you dwell/fixate on widgets in a vertical menu bar that is docked on the right. There are widgets for single clicking, double-clicking, etc. There is also a virtual, on-screen keyboard that can be brought out.

One thing that I’ve noticed with GazeMouse is that choosing a command, like left click, means that it will be continually be repeated when the cursor stops (thinks that the user is fixating) after the cursor has been moving. Every movement and subsequent stoppage of the cursor will produce an action until you dwell on/mouse-over a “pause” widget in a vertical menu bar (similar to PCEye’s bar). On the other hand, with PCEye’s interface, you keep going back to a widget in the docked menu bar for each action. It looks like you keep going back with bkb also.

(The interaction on the programs might speed up if they had a movable, floating window like Paint.net’s floating “Tools” window to optionally house shortcuts of the widgets for quicker access).

Anyways, I’m glad that open source accessibility software has been started. bkb looks great!
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Re: Selling my eyeTribe eyetracker

Postby MastaLomaster » 01 Apr 2014, 23:03

Hi Jeff,
Thank you for promoting my program, but I wanted to translate the application before publishing information here. As for now you won't understand the toolbar buttons meaning - it will only show question marks (instead of Russian [aka Cyrillic] characters).
It will take a week or two, and I will publish the update.
And yes, it supports TheEyeTribe.
To understand the program workflow in the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68C4d2SNC8) choose Swahili subtitles, they are actually in English. This is a trick to switch subtitles off by default.

P.S. Why did you post in THIS thread?
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Re: Selling my eyeTribe eyetracker

Postby JeffKang » 02 Apr 2014, 00:07

Oh, I was responding to janeborodat, who said that he/she had RSI, and couldn’t find any accessibility programs.

I was just going to name a few of the programs that I know of, but the post got larger.

The information here should be in the Computer Control and/or Accessibility sub-forums, and I should’ve posted a link to it.

Thanks for creating closed captions for the instructional video. I previously didn’t switch the language before watching, so I’ve been doing a little trial-and-error on the icons :) .
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Re: Selling my eyeTribe eyetracker

Postby janeborodat » 04 Apr 2014, 14:31

MastaLomaster wrote:Hi Jeff,
Thank you for promoting my program, but I wanted to translate the application before publishing information here. As for now you won't understand the toolbar buttons meaning - it will only show question marks (instead of Russian [aka Cyrillic] characters).
It will take a week or two, and I will publish the update.
And yes, it supports TheEyeTribe.
To understand the program workflow in the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68C4d2SNC8) choose Swahili subtitles, they are actually in English. This is a trick to switch subtitles off by default.


My opinion about that kind of programms bkb and PCEye software is that it will eventually cause eyestrain and eye rsi, so to say, because of constant repetitive eye movement to the right side(to menu), this is the reason it is not usable in the long term period even i would say it is harmful.
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Re: Selling my eyeTribe eyetracker

Postby JeffKang » 04 Apr 2014, 21:52

People with ALS/Lou Gehrig’s disease do use eye tracking all day with no problems. It’s not necessarily how much of an active control, eye-tracking application that you use. It’s how you ease yourself into it, and slowly adjust.

bkb is a fantastic start though. bkb has the ability to magnify before a selection. Let’s say that you take away the activation method of dwelling and fixating. You could press a keyboard button to be the “zoom-in-then-click-where-I’m-looking” button. This helps compensate for some of the imprecision of eye-tracking.

I think the next step would be to detect the elements (e.g. https://github.com/philc/vimium) (Image) that are near the point of gaze, and pop out larger, touch/eye-tracking versions of them (e.g https://github.com/Olavz/DesktopEye). Optionally combine that with zooming and snapping, and any inaccuracy shouldn’t be a problem. I still think that any bit of time lost from a two-step pop-out-large and/or zoom process would be easily exceeded by the time saved from being able to instantly eye-move the cursor before selection.

These features could fill the gap until more applications have official eye-tracking/touch versions of them.
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Re: Selling my eyeTribe eyetracker

Postby janeborodat » 07 Apr 2014, 18:06

JeffKang wrote:
I think the next step would be to detect the elements (e.g. https://github.com/philc/vimium) that are near the point of gaze, and pop out larger, touch/eye-tracking versions of them (e.g https://github.com/Olavz/DesktopEye). Optionally combine that with zooming and snapping, and any inaccuracy shouldn’t be a problem

Completely agree, that is what i need, but what is not available now.
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Re: Selling my eyeTribe eyetracker

Postby MastaLomaster » 09 Apr 2014, 15:41

Just completed the English version of the program to control Windows PC, mentioned earlier in this thread. (https://github.com/MastaLomaster/bkb).
Will appreciate if you try it on your computer. If there are not many issues, i will put a link to it in the "Application Showcase" part.
Thanks.
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Re: Selling my eyeTribe eyetracker

Postby MastaLomaster » 10 Apr 2014, 10:34

My opinion about that kind of programms bkb and PCEye software is that it will eventually cause eyestrain and eye rsi, so to say, because of constant repetitive eye movement to the right side(to menu), this is the reason it is not usable in the long term period even i would say it is harmful.


Just added the repeating click mode, so you don't need to move your eyes to the right side repeatedly when need to click frequently. Besides, there is a button in the toolbar to move it to the left side. So you may change the way you move your eyes sometimes.
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Re: Selling my eyeTribe eyetracker

Postby JeffKang » 11 Apr 2014, 08:43

I did some testing on it, and I didn’t notice any major problems.

I’ll add some comments once you post in the Application Showcase.

Thanks a lot MastaLomaster.
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